Header install ?

Bluebowtie

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I bought a used set of V&H Dresser dual head pipes from a forum member and am getting ready for the install. I have done a bit of research in the install and have seen a few guys have had issues with exhaust leaks at the head with V&H gaskets. Some say they use 2 sets of HD gaskets and problem solved. I want to install the head pipes once.

Anyone have any insight on what gaskets to use?




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Harley-Davidson part #65324-83B. Do not stack two of them.

Get this tool to put 'em in properly and not get pissed off.

Jim's #788.

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Harley-Davidson part #65324-83B. Do not stack two of them.

Get this tool to put 'em in properly and not get pissed off.

Jim's #788.

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I know your not supposed to stack gaskets that's why I questioned the method.

Why do you need a tool to install the gaskets? I'm a wooky LOL


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Bluebowtie- I removed my head pipes 3 times. I had new gaskets on hand, inspected originals and they where fine. Re bolted header without leaks. My cigar smoke test might be questionable... Ha


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Just changed mine and never had to touch them with no leaks. Just do it Blue if you have a bunch of material stick to the stock head pipe then maybe an issue if not put the new pipe on.
 
yeah.. TomA is right.... I have done 6-7 head pipes already from stock pipes to whatever.... I have NEVER had a leak reusing the stock gaskets that are still in the jugs. Matter of fact.... my 3rd head pipe is on my bike as I type... from stock to decatted head pipe to my pro pipe... not a single leak and never changed the gaskets.

I will tell you this.... set the pipes in place and LOOSELY install the bolts... Leave wiggle room as they will NOT SEAT just putting them in. You will most likely have to 'stretch' the pipes into the jugs as I did each and every time. Seat the rear first by hand to ensure its in the jug, then hand-tighten the bolts... move to the front and you will see what I mean. You have to pull on the pipe a bit to get it to seat in the jug.
 
Thanks for the advice everyone. One of the standard rules dad taught me was never reuse gaskets and I have lived by that rule. I will try it with stock gaskets and see what happens but will have the Jims tool and new gaskets on hand.


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Thanks for the advice everyone. One of the standard rules dad taught me was never reuse gaskets and I have lived by that rule. I will try it with stock gaskets and see what happens but will have the Jims tool and new gaskets on hand.


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I hear ya BB on old gaskets. You know how it is, better to have in hand and not need..............
 
Do not over torque the nuts on the head studs.
If you have a 1/4" wobble drive extension it will be your friend. :D
You are going to drop one of those nuts a time or two. Place a towel over the transmission just under the rear jug.
 
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Do not over torque the nuts on the head studs.
If you have a 1/4" wobble drive extension it will be your friend. :D
You are going to drop one of those nuts a time or two. Place a towel over the transmission just under the rear jug.

I don't have wobble extensions but I do have a 1/4 flex head TQ wrench. If that won't work I guess it's a good excuse to feed my other addiction......TOOLS!




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Did you get your dresser duals installed? I am wondering if the back pipe o2 sensor was long enough to run under the transmission or did you have to run it on top?
 
I'm messing with headers today. Practice a few times putting them on with the old gaskets, then put in the new ones. I would have wrecked my new gaskets for sure.
 
I'm messing with headers today. Practice a few times putting them on with the old gaskets, then put in the new ones. I would have wrecked my new gaskets for sure.

What are you putting on? I am trying to figure out if the o2 sensors will reach on Dresser duals since the bung is up high on the rear pipe.
 
Did you get your dresser duals installed? I am wondering if the back pipe o2 sensor was long enough to run under the transmission or did you have to run it on top?

No I have not installed my headers yet. Bike is still in winter storage at the dealership. I'm waiting for it to rain to wash all the salt off the roads. It's supposed to rain a good part of next week so she should be able to come home end of next week. Then the fun begins.


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What are you putting on? I am trying to figure out if the o2 sensors will reach on Dresser duals since the bung is up high on the rear pipe.

I'm putting on a Fullsac DX pipe. Just pull the right side plastic cover and have a look. The two O2 sensor connectors are right in front, grey & black, grey is the front cylinder. They should be long enough.
 
Yeah it looks like everybody is running the rear sensor line on top of the trans with Dresser duals, too short to go down to the framerail and then back. Think I am gonna have a 12" o2 sensor extension made up for mine. Either that or buy the Rush duals but I am not sure of their quality after some googling.
 
Ok, this looks like the thread I want. 2015 FLHXS with Rinehart 4” Black Slip-ons, PN 500-0103. 3,500 miles on bike. Took the leap and just ordered the Vance & Hines Power Duals (Black), and Arlen Ness Big Sucker Stage I Air Filter, PN 18-442 (retaining the OEM cover). Not sure if I am going to have my indy tune with the Power Vision ($300), or get an FP-3 ($340). I plan on installing the headers myself and have been doing A LOT of research and some of the things I am reading conflict. I do have a service manual (bought it before getting the bike), and I do have a couple of concerns.

• Exhaust Gaskets- The V&H comes with V&H gaskets. When you pull the OEM header, do the existing gaskets fall out or are they sort of stuck in the ports? I just read
earlier in this thread about leaving in the existing gaskets???
o Question- Do I: 1) retain and use the existing gaskets- if they remain in place, 2) use the V&H gaskets that come with the header, or 3) purchase new HD SE
gaskets (PN 65324-83B)?

• I have read conflicting reviews about re-torqueing bolts. My plan was to install the header then ride a few miles to heat the system to regular operating temp. I
test fitted the head bolts to make sure I had the correct tools (1/4” drive w/wobble extensions), and the shields will have to be off for the test ride period to be
able to reach the bolts for re- torque.
o Question- Do I: 1) re-torque bolts when engine is hot, or, 2) re-torque bolts when engine has sufficiently cooled?

• I have read and reviewed the V&H install instructions and the HD service manual instructions for the exhaust header bolts- (bottom nut to 9-18 in lbs, top nut
to 100-120 in lbs, top nut final torque to 100-120 in lbs). Seems that the nuts aren’t on very tight. I’m going to have to get an in-lbs torque wrench and
most that I have seen start at 20 in lb. My understanding and it would seem to reason that the sequencing and torque on these bolts is mission critical. Any
help/insighttips/tricks on this??? I did see a good piece that I will use: putting some chrome acorn nuts on the remaining stud lengths after final torqueing to
keep the flange bolts from backing out.

• Question- Do I: Bite the bullet and pay my indy $250 to do the header install and- avoid all of the challenges and pitfalls of learning more about my machine,
and, take the wrath from my wife of more $$$ spent on a new bike (she doesn’t want to hear words like ‘performance’ or ‘personalization’), and, spending the
money I was going to use to get the matching pinstripes on my Tour-Pak?

Like everybody else, I’m trying to save a buck and actually enjoy the wrenching- if successful. I’d hate to get this all put together only to hear the dreaded ‘sucking sound’ of and exhaust leak, or be in the middle of the install and screw something up (gaskets). BTW, I live in California- where the politicians want everyone to be on an electronic Vespa! I had to sign a waiver saying that I was going to use the header on a closed race course only. HD shops won’t have anything to do with install/tuning of cat- free headers. I tried ordering them when I ordered my bike.
 
I retained the stock header gaskets.... no need to replace them if they are not bad or damaged. Over-torquing the header bolts will damage them.

Retorque at 100 miles and check again after 500... good rule of thumb

Evenly install the nuts by hand then tighten alternately to get and even seat.

Header install on PowerDuals is not hard but time consuming... take your time. Read instructions and fully understand them before diving in.. makes life easier.

Make sure the header is FULLY SEATED in the jug and centered... you may have to use a little force... don't worry they flex a bit.

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One more thing.... The installing circlip/retaining ring. Any issues or problems removing/re-installing those? Not sure what purpose they serve- haven't seen or read anything about them.
 


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